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Jan 29, 2025

 

Building a Personal Brand Within a Corporate Environment: Leadership Lessons from Mortgage Industry Leader Brian Covey

Introduction

In today's digital landscape, the lines between personal brand and corporate identity continue to blur. Many professionals find themselves at a crossroads: pursue entrepreneurship or excel within an established organization? According to Brian Covey, mortgage industry leader and host of his own podcast, this doesn't have to be an either/or proposition.

In this insightful interview on The Nathan Newberry Show, Covey shares how he built a $2.5 billion mortgage production team while developing his personal brand and leadership philosophy. With 23 years of experience in the mortgage space and a background as a former professional soccer player, Covey offers a refreshing perspective on high performance, team building, and authentic leadership.

Whether you're an entrepreneur, a corporate leader, or someone wondering which path is right for you, Covey's journey demonstrates that you can leverage personal branding while thriving within a corporate structure—all while staying authentic to your unique strengths and values.

High Performance: The Mental Edge That Separates Leaders

Critical Thinking Under Pressure

Drawing from his experience as a Division 1 soccer goalkeeper, Covey identifies a distinguishing characteristic of high performers that translates across sports and business:

"High performers can take all of this noise and all these things happening around us...and they know what decision is going to move the ball down the field and score, and they can act decisively and move forward."

This ability to make clear decisions amid chaos isn't just about speed—it's about making the right decisions when stakes are high. As Covey explains, "I'm always looking at how do I get better at making not only just fast decisions but the right decisions and then moving forward confidently."

The Entrepreneurial Spirit vs. Corporate Leadership

One of the most refreshing insights Covey shares is his self-awareness about his own strengths and preferences:

"Being real with myself is I have an entrepreneurial spirit, but I'm also wired in the sense of...I love being the person that's on the team that's adding value but in my sweet spot in my role. What I recognize is like I'm not the person that's going to go start up the company from ground zero...it's just not how I'm wired."

This honest assessment challenges the prevailing narrative that everyone should aspire to be a founder or CEO. Covey suggests that many professionals struggle because "they see the CEO title and they see the founder and they see these people online that half of it's not even true...and they think they want this role for all these reasons that aren't even true."

By understanding his strengths as a team builder rather than a founder, Covey has been able to create tremendous value—building a $2.5 billion mortgage production team—while maintaining alignment with his natural talents and preferences.

The Three Pillars of Effective Leadership

1. Embracing Continuous Learning

Covey emphasizes humility as a cornerstone of leadership development:

"The older I get and the more I learn, the more years I'm in business, the more I realize how much I don't know."

This growth mindset has allowed him to stay adaptable in an ever-changing industry. Rather than clinging to what worked in the past, Covey continuously reinvents his approach based on current market conditions and evolving best practices.

2. Recognizing Talent in Others

A key evolution in Covey's leadership journey was moving from a "my way or the highway" mentality to truly valuing others' contributions:

"Recognizing talents and gifts in other people is a skill of a leader...I started out from being in production and moving into leadership was 'I'm going to do it myself, my way is the best way.'"

He shares a story about a colleague who was shut down in a corporate planning meeting after offering a counterpoint to leadership, only to have multiple team members privately praise him afterward. This illustrates how traditional leadership often fails to harness the collective intelligence of teams.

3. Developing Confidence in Your Vision

Perhaps most importantly, Covey stresses the importance of confidence in your leadership approach:

"You need to be confident enough in your abilities and what the vision and what you believe culturally is how you want to build a company."

He recounts a "fundamental dispute" at a previous company about personal brand versus corporate brand, where leadership insisted on promoting the company above all else. By leaving to implement his vision elsewhere, Covey achieved breakthrough success—validating his approach and demonstrating the importance of standing by your convictions.

The Science of Recruiting and Retaining Top Talent

Creating a Targeted Recruitment Strategy

Covey shares that his recruitment success wasn't always consistent. It took hiring a coach and developing a systematic approach to transform his results:

"I got very clear on my targeted avatar: how much production do they do a year? How long have they been at their current company? How many years of experience do they have? What does their book of business look like?"

By establishing clear criteria and leveraging data to identify prospects, Covey moved from haphazard hiring to strategic recruitment. In a recent initiative, he identified 300 professionals who fit his ideal candidate profile, with a goal of hiring approximately 30 (10%) of them.

This targeted approach allows him to "reverse engineer success" by calculating exactly how many conversations, meetings, and site visits are needed to achieve his recruitment targets.

The Power of Personal Branding in Recruitment

Perhaps most interestingly, Covey has found that developing his personal brand has transformed his recruitment process:

"The number one thing I wish I had done earlier in my career...when I reach out to people or our team reaches out to set appointments for me, they're gonna look you up."

This digital presence has essentially replaced cold calling in his recruitment arsenal:

"I don't enjoy calling directly myself and cold calling people, but I'll tell you what's really fun is I've been DMing people all year...reaching out to people, inviting on my podcast, setting up calls, finding out ways I can help them."

The result? "I'm now selling 24/7 without having to be selling 24/7."

The Convergence of Marketing and Sales in the Digital Age

Proof Over Promises

Drawing on the teachings of marketing expert Hermes Conesa, Covey emphasizes the importance of "proof over promises" in digital marketing:

"We're going back to just actual factual things like our company added over a billion dollars in production in the last two years...we're getting into things that they're not up for dispute."

This approach focuses on irrefutable evidence rather than aspirational claims:

"Customer reviews that you have, people that are happy with your product or service, that's irrefutable. That's not a promise you're making for the future. That's proof that you did what you said you were going to do."

The Art of Persuasion and Influence

When it comes to sales, Covey believes the game is moving away from hard closing tactics toward deeper understanding and problem-solving:

"I think sales is going to move into less about selling and hard closing and hard sells...and it's very much understanding their needs, asking better questions, understanding where they want to go."

Quoting Ed Mylett, Covey notes that if he could have just one skill, "it'd be the art to persuade and influence people." This applies not just to business but to every relationship, from parenting to team leadership.

His approach focuses on understanding the journey from "point A where they are to their point B" and determining how he can help them get there. By solving real problems, "you no longer are actually selling like the old way—you're guiding and providing a solution."

Personal Brand as Competitive Edge

In a world increasingly dominated by AI and digital communication, Covey believes authentic personal brands will become even more valuable:

"As all the AI stuff continues to come out, we start getting fooled by these kind of online gurus that aren't real, people want authenticity. They're going to go back to person-to-person connection."

The competitive advantage comes when your digital presence accelerates real-world relationships: "If you can build a brand online, when you show up in person, you've now accelerated trust and accelerated that relationship."

Conclusion: Balancing Personal Brand and Corporate Success

Brian Covey's journey demonstrates that building a personal brand while excelling within a corporate environment isn't just possible—it can be a powerful strategy for career growth and impact. By developing authentic content that reflects his true interests—from fitness goals to soccer passion—Covey has created meaningful connections that translate to business opportunities.

His approach challenges the notion that everyone must be a founder or CEO to be successful. Instead, by identifying his strengths as a team builder and leader within established organizations, he's created tremendous value while staying true to his natural talents and preferences.

Whether you're a mortgage professional, a corporate leader, or someone exploring entrepreneurship, Covey's insights offer a template for authentic leadership in the digital age: know your strengths, build meaningful connections through content, and focus on solving real problems for the people you serve.

As digital and physical worlds continue to converge, those who can build trust through authentic personal brands while delivering real value will have an unmatched competitive advantage. As Covey notes, "The bigger the problems you can solve, the bigger the paychecks will be."

 

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